Episode 207 - Shana Rishona is All the Things with Mushka Gopin, host of the Shana Rishona Summit

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Mushka and I share a soapbox today about the need to widen our focus when we support women in shana rishona. Her summit does exactly that (and I hope I do the same in my online course!)

WHAT YOU'LL DISCOVER IN THIS EPISODE:

1. Getting married is not just about the man you're living with

2. You're not alone

3. Learning a skill

4. You need to live the life you're currently living right now

5. The Shana Rishona Summit

FEATURED IN THIS EPISODE:

1. ⁠Get on the wait list for The First Year Married course⁠

2. You can still access the Summit at https://shanarishonasummit.com

   
   

Transcript

0:00

I'm so passionate about this.

Like, why are we constantly reinventing the wheel?

You're not the first girl to get married, not on your block, not in your class, not in your family.

Like there's five weddings booked the week that you got married in the same wedding hall.

So like you're not, you're not the only person going through this.

0:16

So why do you have to feel like you are like in any facet of life that it comes out in, like whether it's the finances, the cooking, the home organization, whether it's the marriage of communication, whether it's the fact that I mean, someone sent me an e-mail and said, can you tell me early signs of pregnancy?

Welcome to How to Glow, where we get real about building the marriage of your dreams.

0:39

I'm certified Coach Kayla Levin and I help married Jewish women go from surviving and overwhelmed to thriving and connected through practical tips, real life inspiration, and more than a little self-awareness along the way.

Hello my friends, Kayla Levin here.

0:57

I am excited to share this interview with you with Mushka Gapin.

She is running the Shana Rishona Summit, which some of you may have heard of, may have not.

We got into a whole conversation about the very holistic nature of Shana Rishona, of being a newlywed.

I just want to say we didn't.

1:13

I don't think we mentioned this in the interview.

You absolutely can attend if you are not married yet or if you have been married longer.

It's for really any Jewish women.

But I just feel very passionately about how important it is that we really show and highlight and underline and double bold the fact that the newlywed transition is about more than just our marriages.

1:40

It's about more than learning how to get along.

It's about a lot of things changing at the same time.

And even though those things are often all very good things, they are still a lot of transitions.

And the more we can support you in going through those transitions in a way that feels grounded and that you are taken care of and that you are supported, the better you can show up in your marriage, in your life during that time.

2:09

So enjoy this interview.

I think it'll be really helpful to hear from someone else just about the same soapbox and what this summit's all about, how you might want to think about summits.

Because I know sometimes people either don't understand them, so she does a gorgeous job of explaining them or get a little overwhelmed by them.

2:27

And at the end of this interview, we give you a mindset that will really help you get the most out of really any online learning experience that you engage with.

OK, enjoy the interview.

Welcome to.

At this point I think this is the first year Married podcast, but we'll see.

2:43

By the time it's published it will know whether it's first year married or still How to Glow welcome.

Thank you.

Thank you for having me.

I'm really, you're the first person that I reached out to when I was planning the summit, which we'll talk about.

I don't want to get out of my.

I don't want to get out of the conversation here.

And I'm so happy to be here.

Already there.

2:58

Yeah.

Already there.

OK, so I just want to say though, Mushka and I connected because you are running this newlywed summit and not only am IA 100% there, the second I heard from you because you're talking to newlyweds.

And I love newlyweds and I love everything about helping newlyweds.

3:15

But what I really loved as I watched how you put it together is you were so conscientious about all the parts of the newlywed experience where I feel like it's so, so often we just like you.

It's like newlyweds in finance and it's only that, or it's newlyweds in how to run your home or make healthy food, or it's newlyweds in marriage.

3:32

And like everything's in its own little bucket.

And so this is like very holistic.

So I want to just hear from you about your process, your thinking, how you put it together, why you're putting it together.

Yeah, I actually, I, I think that it's usually just marriage.

You usually hear about newlyweds and Sean Baez communication, men, men versus women, psychology, things like that.

3:53

And people I know you do on your podcast, which is I love that you're filling this need and creating, you know, that you created it and supporting newlyweds.

But usually it's not just marriage.

And I was like, newlyweds need more than that.

And getting married is not just about the man you're living with.

4:10

You also have to cook supper for him and then you have to pay your bills.

And then you, what about you, what about you, your health, your, your, your someone could become pregnant right away, hopefully.

And what, and then what, right, if you're not prepared for it.

So actually I do the parenting piece for young moms, which is where I come in.

But a step before that is like, you could be married for a minute and still be juggling like all these things.

4:31

And so I wanted to create an experience that addresses all of them.

We're like, to be clear, I don't know the like, I'm not the expert, I don't know the answers, but I can invite expert speakers on this huge array of topics and put them in front of you and put the mentors in front of you.

And that was kind of my objective in creating this online summit experience.

4:51

I think sometimes just the container itself makes a message right?

Like I run the first year married course.

The idea of you might have to take a class after you get married is in and of itself, like my entire soapbox.

Yeah, if you want.

I don't even care.

5:07

Just do something after you get married.

Start building a skill.

There is a skill called being married.

And I feel like your Summit does something similar in saying it's called the Newlywed Summit.

And it's about all of these things.

And I think it's such a validating thing to say, just like you're saying.

5:24

So much hits at once.

And I think one thing that really blew my mind when I learned it is that in our bodies, even though stress, a certain level of stress is beneficial, our bodies don't really differentiate between good stress and bad stress.

5:40

And so a newlywed can be completely freaking out and feel so ridiculous because nothing's wrong.

Everything's going the way it's supposed to.

Go quote UN quote, quote UN quote.

I think it's wrong.

No, but actually nothing.

There's nothing she's pointing to that's a problem, but she's still in not one major transition.

5:59

She's in like 4 or 5 or 12 major transitions right now.

And that's a huge amount of stress, even if it's positive and exciting and, and all of that.

So again, I just love that you're doing this.

Yeah, it's definitely a youth transition on every level.

And I I think a big part of it is knowing that you are going through this, through this transition.

6:21

And like you said, my it's true.

I love what you're saying.

The Summit has a container.

Like even as even like a lot of the responses I've been getting so far is like, wow, I wish this had been around when I was married 10 years ago, even two years ago.

Because once you're a bit ahead of the game, like a bit ahead of it, you're like, realize how you did or didn't have the skills or the tools in the moment.

6:43

And sometimes you know.

You don't know what you need until.

Yeah, until you did, right.

Yeah.

But like, they don't have to learn it on their own.

Like, I'm so passionate about this.

Like, why are we constantly reinventing the wheel?

You're not the first girl to get married, not on your block, not in your class, not in your family.

6:59

Like there's five weddings booked the week that you got married in the same wedding hall.

So like, you're not, you're not the only person going through this.

So why do you have to feel like you are like in any facet of life that it comes out in, like whether it's the finance, is the cooking, the homework organization, whether it's the marriage of communication, whether it's the fact that, I mean, someone sent me an e-mail and said, can you tell me early signs of pregnancy?

7:22

Because she had nobody to ask.

I mean, she didn't want to Google it.

And like what?

Like, please reach out to me.

Please reach out to another woman in your life, you know, so you don't have to go through everything on her own.

I really just wanted to put the resources together in front of them.

And it's so true.

Sometimes you don't.

Sometimes you have to be told like you need to, you need to learn this like you, this is something that you need to know.

7:43

Like everyone, I say this all the time because everyone knows that you should go to a COLA class that is accepted, that is standard.

You will find the money to pay for it.

You will find the teacher.

You will not get under the hub, but without doing a COLA class or reading a book like maybe minimum.

But then after you get married, what then?

Or then after you're expecting or you have your first child.

8:00

And I say, like, I say my course and my resources is the COLA classes for motherhood.

And like, at every stage, yeah, you're not doing it alone.

You shouldn't have to feel like you're doing it alone.

And I just want you to be able to know that these women exist and can help you with them.

Like, that's my whole pitch.

8:16

Like that's the whole thing.

Yeah, I'm just, I'm just, it was just as you were talking, I was remembering so distinctly this feeling.

I don't know if you had the same thing, but I just remember being in this phase.

There weren't a lot of newlyweds where we lived.

8:31

We lived in Passaic and it was before Passaic was like a super young, not in community.

I think Clifton now is like more, but at the time there really weren't that many young couples and I didn't know a single person who didn't already have kids.

And there was just this like awkward long, very, it felt very long.

8:50

It wasn't very long, but it felt, it felt like so long before I was going to be joining the club of moms and what like what am I doing here?

Like how do you meet people?

Cuz it was a new community to both of us.

Like, how are you meeting people if you're not?

9:06

At the point, you can't talk about kids.

Yeah, yeah.

Like that, that wasn't real into it.

So other than work, which thank God for me was very, I did get to meet some wonderful people.

But other than that, like there was this kind of, it felt like this weird waiting period kind of.

And I hear that a lot from newlyweds of like, I don't really know where to put myself completely.

9:26

I'm not exactly sure because like, also, what do you start a job if you, you know, aren't going to want to work if you're pregnant, you have no idea what your pregnancy is going to be.

Like.

You have no idea once you meet the baby, if you're going to want.

There's so much like up in the air.

I know singles deal with this as well of like, well, I might get married.

9:44

Like, how's that going to be?

So one thing I just want to say is that I feel like this is the kind of thing that is such a good use of your time during the newlywed phase.

If you're in Ramana school, from what I hear, you're learning how to make sourdough.

That's also a great use of time.

10:00

My husband and I learned how to make sushi.

We did a lot of sushi making nights.

We figured that out.

But like, this is a time where you have like that space is actually a gift to work on some skills to figure some things out to just even if at the very least what I like, because you have like all these different topics, it's kind of just planting the seed.

10:20

Oh, oh, that's a thing, right?

Body and hormones, Oh, that's a thing.

Oh, finances, oh, that's a thing.

And like, maybe you're not going to become a complete expert at it by the time the summit's over, but now you kind of have a lay of the land from which to move forward.

10:36

Yeah, no, it's such a good point because you do have so much.

I remember that feeling.

I, you know, I was working 1/2 a time job that paid like full time.

That's why I was there.

And I would just come home at 1:00 and have an empty day and I didn't really know what to do with my time.

I mean, I kept myself busy, but it's such a unique period before you have kids.

10:53

And I didn't have my first kid until two years in.

So not everyone get, I know I said maybe you get pregnant in the first minute.

Yeah, a lot of people don't.

And a lot of people might be married for years and years before they had their first child.

And it's like you can be in this generation on a stage for actually years.

And, and I actually think that you need to live the life you're currently living right now, whether you're single, whether you're newly married, whether you're not like, you know, like the, I think about this is not my idea, but I heard it from someone like the Michigan was set up and it was built and they possibly moved it the next day and they possibly stayed there for 42 years.

11:23

But it was set up and like, you need to be a mesh gun.

You need to have a, you need to have a life.

You need to have a schedule.

You need to whatever that looks like for you.

And you can't always be living your life looking ahead to the future because there's no future.

You only live in the present moment.

And but you can also take advantage of that present moment.

11:39

And so you're right.

This is something like this, like the summit, like educating yourself and getting aware of what's out there.

And like, yeah, maybe you're not interested in learning about health and hormones, but you should know that topic exists.

Maybe you're not interested in learning about various things.

Like a lot of the topics that I did.

I just wanted to plant it in front of people.

11:54

Like you said.

I'm like, you may never need this.

You may not be interested in it, but you should know that there is such a concept as especially when it came to the fourth topic, like the the one about what Women's Health and self-care specifically.

A lot of that was just like, I thought you don't know this exists.

12:10

You shouldn't have to say later, like how come nobody told me?

Like here I am telling it to you right now.

Watch it.

Don't watch it, but look at the title.

I know that it's there.

Yeah, I see that a lot in my work with newlyweds, with with Women's Health specifically.

You know, there's a lot, whatever.

12:26

I don't want to go into a whole tangent about it, but there's a lot of changes that a lot of people put on their bodies without realizing what some of those repercussions might be.

And for some women, they're really intense and they don't put two and two together.

And so I love that you're including anything.

It's, it's really, I know that's not the only thing that you're covering, but it's, it's great of all these things.

12:45

It's one of the things, I mean, I keep saying my summit is just a big splashy project and you do this year round.

Really what I did in the summit was I put a lot of women together to who's going to tell you?

Like if you don't have a sister and you don't have a friend, you don't have an older friend or something.

13:01

Like who's going to tell you?

You're saying women are doing a lot of things to their bodies and they don't realize, well, who's supposed to tell them?

And you can't.

You could learn everything the hard way through experience, which is hard earned and is a big shame.

I don't really believe in that.

I think you should be educated, empowered, and then life will.

13:17

Life will end up lifing, right?

But you don't have to.

Have to create the challenges you.

Don't have to create the challenges exactly.

So it's about either looking out for mentorship or or and that's hard to do, it's hard to find.

I remember just that feeling of like, well, who am I supposed to call my Khala teacher?

Because if she's the answer to all my life's problems, because she was kind of the only female figure that's formally placed in front of you at this stage to direct all your life problems too.

13:41

And like, she's not the only, it can't just be her responsibility.

She's not the only female that exists.

She definitely can't help me with my finances, but other women can.

I just, I love, I love that you know, you're getting experts in front of people also because I know I feel this way.

13:56

I know not everyone feels this way, but I also know I'm not alone, that you don't always want to be going to a mentor.

Sometimes you want to pay an expert for their time.

It's a beautiful thing that we live in a community where people want to be generous with their time.

14:12

And I, I, I would never, God forbid, want to see that go away.

But like if I have a friend who's an accountant and I need to talk to her three times a week, at some point I'm going to feel uncomfortable and I would like to pay her because this is her expertise.

Accounting, right?

14:27

And I just feel like, you know, you're introducing people to a lot of professionals where people don't have to feel like, oh, is this a bad time?

Like, I know you're so busy.

Yeah, Jewish women are all busy.

But you know what?

There's women who do this professionally.

And so you don't have to feel bad.

Like this is a very ecosystem.

14:45

Yeah, that was my, one of my criteria for finding speakers was making sure that they had a website, a resource, a course, a coaching and offer a book, something that they were set up in some way professionally.

Because I mean, I can find, I can turn around down my block and find 10 amazing, inspiring women.

15:01

And how is that going to help you if you're watching and you want to follow up with them and you want this woman to be that mentor figure in your life and she has nothing available on the back end.

And I specifically wanted speakers with further resources so that you're not just learning something interesting.

I mean, open any podcast, open Google, like none of like everyone has their own spin.

15:21

Yeah, I mean, but we're in information overload.

That's not really, you know, that's that's not, you could take a book out of the library, right.

But can you find a Jewish woman, a firm woman who's going to guide you through it, who's available to help guide you through it?

That's like the unique aspect.

Amazing.

I would love to just hear from you a little bit about what it's been like for you to running a summit because it I know one other.

15:41

I have another friend who runs summits.

It's from her.

I've heard it is a massive, massive project, so I'd be curious to hear about your experience.

It's a huge project.

I did not anticipate it because first of all, it became huge because I really thought that a lot of speakers would not be on board.

15:59

Like why would they agree to join my summit?

But then they all did.

And so the amount of speakers ballooned.

I just started saying 35 plus, but I think there's like 39.

Then we might even have 40.

I don't even know.

There's just so many.

And so every speaker comes with her own kind of back end, her own video to process, her own transcript, her own, you know what I mean?

16:18

Like just back in her own communication, her own links and things like that.

So that was just more work than I anticipated.

I intervened most of the speakers.

So that was time on my calendar that I didn't really anticipate.

And I mean, it's been a really fun project for me, just really labor intensive.

16:33

I also did it in a short period of time.

I think I started right after Tisha ended and I was mostly done around Hanukkah and now it's like 2 weeks after.

It was like a three month project I think.

So it was like a lot of work in a short condensed amount of time, but it's been a lot of fun.

It's been really, it's just been fun.

16:49

It's been great to connect with so many women.

It's been great.

And knowing that I'm working on something that I believe is worthwhile, I see that the response that I'm already getting and it hasn't yet gone live is just so people are so receptive of it.

It's become a bit of a mini movement where people are resonating with the message of it, which is like, yes, support each other, be prepared for resources, things like that.

17:10

That's amazing.

No, it's so funny because I, I was finishing launching my program while some people started launching and like sending out information about the summit and I kept getting these emails like, you should be speaking on this.

How come you're not doing this?

I was like, I am, I am, I'm in there, don't worry.

17:27

Oh no, you're the earth.

When I first had this idea, I reached out to you first, and then it just took time until I actually got it off the ground.

I was like, no, no, I'm not.

I am not running the summit without Kayla Levin.

I'm a big believer and not repeating work and in in in, yes, collating resources.

17:44

And so why would I like how could I do this if like you're the Shannon Reshana girl and you're the newlywed girl, like you must be represented like that was not a question.

Well.

I was so happy to do it.

OK, this has been amazing.

Thank you so much.

Anything else that you want to share just to like give people a bit of a sense of what to expect in the summit or anything?

18:05

Yeah, yeah, sure.

Some technical things.

So the summit is happening online and it's not the same as a course.

It's kind of like an online virtual conference where over, you know, every day different speakers are available to watch.

So from January 20 to 23rd, that's Monday to Thursday, every day a whole bunch of speakers on one specific topic.

18:22

Their videos are going live, as in their videos are available to watch for free for 24 hours.

They're all released at the same time.

So within those 24 hours, you can pick and choose who do you want to watch first, who do you want to watch second, you know, whatever you have time to submit into your calendar.

And then and if you want more time to watch those videos, you could get replay access along with a podcast version, transcripts, other kind of behind the scene goodies.

18:45

Plus, this is like really crucial because we're talking about, I know we talked a lot about the speakers and the resources they have and the fact that they can serve as mentors.

The speakers contributed a lot of valuable contributions, whether like it was, I know you have a mini course in there, people have mini books, people have discounts off their packages, services or offers and all.

19:01

It's like over $1200 in value if you you know, add that up and all of that is available inside the VIP pass, which is optional.

So you could attend the summit for free if you catch everything you know, live while it's live and otherwise you can get the VIP pass and those goodies in order to like extend your access, enjoy the bonuses and be able to keep learning.

19:21

Because I know I didn't intend for it to be overwhelming.

I feel the need to add this disclaimer.

I didn't intend to like throw 10 videos at you over a 24 hour period and say watch them for free or otherwise pay like no, no, no, It just happened that there were so many speakers.

And also to have more time and to watch it at your leisure and to extend your learning.

19:38

And like you said, if you have empty time, if you're a newlywed, cuz I think we all do.

I mean, it's been true for me.

I know I'm not.

You know, I can't be the only one who had nothing.

How many time, how many hours can you spend cooking supper and straightening up your one bedroom apartment, right?

Although you can listen while you're cooking supper and straightening.

19:54

Exactly.

So even still.

You could, you could still, yeah, you can multitask, but that's a great worthwhile way to use your time is to be able to watch those things throughout the get 12 months of access.

So it's a year and, and, and reach out for, you know, you're not going to need every topic at this second, but you'll know that you have it available when you're ready to watch it.

20:15

So that's just technical things about the summit.

And you can find it all at Shauna Reshuna summit.com.

Simple as that sounds.

Sign up to get your free ticket.

And then I, I share it with a friend.

I mean, I'd love to see every Jewish woman receiving this.

There's no reason.

20:31

There's no reason.

I would hate if after the whole thing was over, someone's like, Oh my God, I didn't hear about it in time.

I mean, you'd be able to, you know, buy it on the website after.

But like, I want you to be part of this experience.

I want you to be part of it.

I want you to feel that there are I'm Jewish woman supporting you, alongside you and helping you, like support you through this transition, helping you build, you know, God willing, your bison and Monbius role.

20:54

I want to add something really fun because at the beginning of every video, there is like a little logo and the logo itself has it's like a diamond ring with like a heart and a home in it.

So it represents our 4 topics.

And then there's music.

It's from Ellie Marcus, it's his song Mazel Tov.

And I asked him for permission to use it.

And the words that he's singing are the words that Lubavitcher Rabba would write in his letters to a couple that's married.

21:14

And until today, lava just read it under the chuppa.

And the words that he's saying are binyon ad alisa de hatara, mitzvahs and the foundation of Tara and mitzvahs.

You should build a binyon Ade ads buceral mazel tov.

And that's like a bracha from the lava to rabbit.

And I think it's such a beautiful break, no matter what stage you are in your marriage to on the foundation of Tara and midsize to build a Tara true marriage.

21:37

And you know what, it's not just showing bias.

Sometimes you're stressing out because of you burn supper and because your house is a mess and you're stressing out because you're not taking care of yourself and you're stressing out because you're fighting about money, you know, so it's all interconnected.

Like it's really, like you said at the beginning, it's really a holistic crash course or holistic guide to transitioning into married life.

22:00

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, I'll just say from my own experience doing summits, sometimes there's a summit.

I feel like people can take a check for themselves.

And you were saying about, you know, there's a lot, there are a lot of speakers and it is this 24 hour and there are some summits where I hear them and I'm like, OK, I'm peripherally related to this.

22:18

Like I'm interested.

There's a couple people I want to hear.

Those are the summits that I sign up for and I just remind myself there's 89 bazillion speakers these the two people I'm here to see, you know, that I'm going to make sure to listen to these people and I will just make that commitment.

I think that can avoid a lot of frustration.

22:34

And then sometimes, like there was recently one about I am, you know, it's like a professional development summit on trauma.

I was like, I am all here for this and I do not want to rush 1 little bit.

I want to have access to this as long as they'll give it to me.

And it was so clear, like this is so up my alley.

22:50

This is so something I want to take my time with that.

It was a very easy investment.

It is not an investment regret.

So I'm just saying for everyone who's listening to this, if they're feeling like, Oh my gosh, what should I do?

Should I buy?

Should I not?

Could just see like if you feel like you're the type of person who wants to really take the time and dive in and really make this into like almost a curriculum for yourself, then you might really want to consider buying it.

23:12

And I know that the way that it works to summits is usually it's cheaper if you make that decision earlier, which is why I'm saying this now.

And otherwise you can just kind of, you know, cherry pick your people that you want to make sure that you hear and you can avoid all the FOMO.

I just need to give you guys some mindset work here because, you know, that's this podcast.

23:28

No, absolutely.

I'm agreeing with you.

I hate that I don't do that in my marketing.

I don't do pressure.

I don't do scarcity.

Like I don't want you to make a pressure decision.

I don't need you to make a pressure decision to put an extra dollar in my pocket.

Like I need you to make an empowered decision that you can fully own.

So no, keep going sometimes.

That decision, right?

23:44

And sometimes that decision is it will be too much for me to be doing all this right now.

And I'm going to, you know, listen to one or two people and I am going to sign off after that.

I know that they're because of the summit.

I normally wouldn't necessarily say this on an interview like this, but I know that with the speakers and the topics that you're covering, there are going to be more than enough people for this to be a very successful summit.

24:05

So, you know, people can really, and I, and I think it's also really powerful to go into something and say, I am taking this seriously.

And for those of you who that's resonating for then giving yourself that gift of like, I am making a decision one way or the other.

I am making a decision ahead of time.

I, I just think that that's general good practice for any summit.

24:22

Oh.

Absolutely.

Experience that you go into, yeah.

Absolutely.

I'll also add that you don't actually need to watch 40 videos to gain a maximum value.

You only need to get one actual take away that you're going to put into your real life.

And if you get that from the first video you watch for 10 minutes for free, you're good to go.

And if it if it's if that's good enough that you're like, oh, let me do even more.

24:40

Let me even buy more.

Go ahead and do that.

But you don't have, you know, you just need that one take away.

It's gonna make a difference, an actionable difference in your life.

So that's all you need for it to be considered like successful for you and worth your time for you.

Yes, yes, amazing.

OK.

Thank you so much for doing this.

Thank you for having me be a part of it.

24:55

I'm glad that we got you onto the podcast so we can just give people a little bit more of a flavor of, you know who you are, especially since you did so many of the interviews yourself, right?

Like so.

You.

Yeah, I'm on the other end of the camera flavor here.

And you know, and, and what the summit's all about, so see you over there.

25:11

Yeah, thanks for having me and letting me and putting me in front of your audience so we can reach them.

I appreciate it.

For sure.

OK, be well.

OK, my friends, that was the wonderful Mushka Guppen.

I hope you enjoyed that interview.

If you want to check out the summit, you can go to kayla11.com/summit SUMMIT and it will take you right there where you can sign up.

25:32

That's also my affiliate link.

So if you use that link, I earn a small Commission.

If you do upgrade to the VIP pass, which I of course appreciate very much.

I'm excited that I had this opportunity to send one more episode your way and that I have this place to share with you a little bit more about this summit and I would love to hear from you.

25:50

I will put into the show notes, of course, the link to the summit as well as my e-mail and my WhatsApp.

I want to hear from you if you sign up, who did you love?

Who would you love to continue the conversation with?

Maybe it'll become another podcast episode.

What are the takeaways that you have from this summit?

What do you wish was on the summit that maybe we can tell Mushka?

26:08

Get this on next year, get the speaker on next year, get this topic on next year.

So I'd love to follow up with you, hear all about it.

And again, the summit has already started, so just go to Kayla 11 com forward slash summit and you can grab your ticket there.

Enjoy.