Episode 224 - Taking a Sabbatical

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This week’s podcast episode is a personal one. After 3.5 beautiful years of running the How to Glow program and podcast, I’ve decided to take a sabbatical.

In this episode, I walk you through:

• Why I’m stepping away (spoiler: it has to do with some amazing little Levins)

• What I’ve learned about business, motherhood, presence, and priorities

• Why sometimes the clearest path forward begins with a blank slate
  

Even if you’re not thinking of taking a break from anything, this episode is for anyone who's navigating change, wondering if they’re doing enough, or just craving more connection in the “mundane” parts of life. 🎧 Listen here → bit.ly/glowpodcast

A few important things to know:

 ✨ The First Year Married course is still available and is an amazing reboot on all things marriage. It's self-paced, full of love, and only $50: kaylalevin.com/newlywed (We also have a really cute gift option!)

 ✨ I’ll still offer one-off coaching sessions (starting in September): kaylalevin.com/coaching

Whether I speak to you next month or next year — thank you for being here. This podcast has been an absolute delight and experience of a lifetime, and I'm so grateful to have been able to connect to you, hear your messages, and be here with you on your marriage journey.

Transcript

[00:00:00] Hey, my friends. Okay. This podcast is gonna be all about the sabbatical that I have planned coming up. What that's gonna look like, why I did it, and mainly the personal and professional lessons that I learned that helped me come to this decision.

[00:00:20] Welcome to How to Glow, where we get real about building the marriage of your dreams. I'm certified coach Kayla Levin and I help married Jewish women go from surviving and overwhelmed to thriving and connected through practical tips, real life inspiration, and more than a little self-awareness along the way.

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[00:00:40] So first of all, just a little bit of background about what this is and then technically, technically how it's gonna run. I have been running the How to Glow program for three and a half years.

[00:00:51] It has been probably my biggest professional accomplishment in terms of my, my pride in, in the community that I created and the work that we've done in there, and the quality of learning and coaching. It also was my absolute dream when I first got into coaching. I followed a coach who had a program very similar to how How to Glow became, and I was just like, I just wanna be the person to bring that to the frum community because when Jewish women are getting the support they need.

[00:01:19] To just get from the place of like that constant stress cycle of like, okay, how do I just, the next thing, the next thing, the next thing to like, oh my gosh, I could enjoy my life. I could enjoy my kids. I have goals and I'm working towards them, and I'm seeing myself becoming more emotionally regulated like it was.

[00:01:32] It's just, I just think that's like one of the most powerful things that could possibly happen to the Jewish people is for the women to be able to access their. Unbelievable power because we are just so contagious energetically when we're in a good place. And so it was my dream to create the program.

[00:01:48] I created the program, I love the program, and then I decided to shut it down this month. So what is happening? So the big kids are the, the short story is that we have been in war for a while over here in Israel, and those of you who. Know people who are running Israeli businesses. It's been a bit hard, for those like kids are home and also dealing with different kids and their, anxieties and their, all the stuff that they're dealing with.

[00:02:18] And I'm not even talking as a family who's dealing with military, right. I'm just, we're just a family living in Israel. And so even still, it's a lot. And after the last Tekufa that we went through with Iran, it was. Made so clear to me that my kids just needed way more of my focus and attention.

[00:02:35] And it wasn't even just time specifically because I don't work full time. I always prioritized working last so that I have more time physically with my children. But it was more in my, like my head, it's like my head needs to be on them. And at the end of the day, running a program like this was a lot of creative energy.

[00:02:54] It was a lot of intellectual stimulation. It was a lot of growing and challenging and researching. And it is time for all of that energy to go into my family because I do believe the world needs amazing, strong, happy Jewish women. I also believe the world really needs a lot of strong, happy Levins. So I'm working on creating you guys some lemons that are in a really good place.

[00:03:20] So I'm working on creating some really strong, happy Levins for, for the world. So that's basically what happened. It just became very clear and I, I just know that my capacity is that I cannot be creatively engaged in this project and be as engaged and focused on my family is, is needed at the moment.

[00:03:40] And that was where the decision came from.

[00:03:45] So technically what does that look like? So technically that means the How to Glow program is ending at the end of July. those of you who are in the program, you should know. You do still have access to the community.

[00:03:55] That's a free thing that you're gonna have, and anyone who was in the program for a long time. Who would like to know if they could have access, just shoot me an email, Kayla@ kayla levin.com and we'll see if we can get you in there.

[00:04:05] But that's just a community for people who've done all of those trainings and sort of speak that language to be together and to continue to connect and support each other.

[00:04:12] The other big change is that this podcast is going to be fully retired during the sabbatical. I will not be even trying to send out any podcast episodes during this time. So those are the two big, big things in terms of my private coaching, 'cause I've always had private clients throughout the last 12 years.

[00:04:29] I'm not taking any packages at the moment. I'm just working one-off sessions with people, which means I can kind of scale my schedule as as works. And also I've been finding lately that these one-off sessions are really, really, really helpful for people. And I think people really like this ability to just, I have an issue.

[00:04:46] I just wanna go on the website, book the session, deal with that one issue, and then next time you need it, it's there for you. So it works beautifully for me. It works beautifully for you. So the one off sessions I'm leaving because I am still able to sort of take the breaks I need.

[00:04:58] I am not working at all in August. But other than that, there will be some sessions available. The first year married program will still be online. That's very low touch on my side. So it's sort of like a really, really advanced book all about getting married. So those of you who would like to buy it or to gift it to somebody.

[00:05:16] It's only $50, which is crazy. I mean, a program of this, it is generally people run these like in the, I would say 2 89 is like what I tend to see for this price, for this, this type of program. I offered for $50 because we were super broke when we were newlyweds and there was no way in the world I would've been able to even wrap my head around spending $200 or more on a program.

[00:05:35] So it's at kaylalevin.com/newlywed and. It continues to be there, so that's what my sabbatical looks like. A couple coaching sessions here and there saying hi to a couple newlyweds.

[00:05:47] Every once in a while, my husband and I will continue to do our, as of now we're planning on continuing to do our technology talks in the yeshiva and seminaries. Obviously, I'm just doing seminaries, he's doing the yeshivas and that is what is. It. It is looking like, I don't know if it's going to be a year.

[00:06:03] I know usually traditionally a sabbatical is a year long and I've decided I don't need to know. I'm going to know once I have a clean slate. And I think that that's one of the other things that's been really helpful for me to figure out was that there probably is something coming, but I can't create it while I'm still running something else.

[00:06:21] So getting down to a total blank slate was a big priority here. It's also a big priority family wise, because. It's one thing to just keep shaving back how much time you're working and how much focus you're putting into your work. And it's another thing to just sort of start with a blank slate and say, okay, once everyone's good, like what's left, which I mean, in theory, you could end up having nothing left because some of the things that we do as mothers and homemakers could take as much time as you give them, but I'm not really worried about that happening for me.

[00:06:49] Okay, so first lesson is you can't hire everything out. This is one I, I think it's very common, like in the kind of like female, especially female entrepreneurial world of like, you don't have to be the one who's washing the floors. You don't have to be the one who's doing this. You don't have to be the one who's doing that.

[00:07:07] And it's true, it's true. Having cleaning help helps. It definitely helps, and it does save you time. But, but it's not a really simple math problem. I thought it was a really simple math problem. I, I used to think I make x in an hour, I spend. Why for an hour of cleaning help. That means this is what I'll have left over and I will have, so I could spend my hour coaching instead of cleaning, and then I will, I will net earn this much money.

[00:07:38] Isn't that the right word? I think that's the right word. Okay. That's how I thought it worked. The math isn't actually that simple. I, because when I clean my li living room, it gets better. And I am focused on it, and I take a couple things out that we're not using anymore, and I donate them, or I rearrange the way that something's working.

[00:08:00] There's just a difference between someone else doing the task and you doing it, and it's just, I'm not saying not to do it. I don't think that's the lesson I'm taking for myself. But the lesson I'm taking is it's just not that black and white. It's not that clear cut, and I'm gonna get to this a little bit more later, but just in terms of just the, the efficiency of it.

[00:08:19] Right. The person needs to be managed. You need to deal with the scheduling. You need to make sure you have the money you need to. There's just more to it than just that very simple black and white equation. Okay? Business lesson. I had heard this one a million times from everyone who runs membership programs or low cost programs, and I did believe them, but experiencing it as another level, charging less, does not make it easier to sell your product.

[00:08:46] I am not saying you should charge an exorbitant amount of money. In fact, I think that some people have gone totally off the deep end in terms of what they're charging for coaching at this point. Um, and I just, I mean, to me it feels like a little bit, um, whatever. I have my own thoughts about it to this day.

[00:09:03] I can still sell a several thousand dollars coaching package easier than I can convince someone to sign up for a $49 a month program. Think about that. The How to Glow program a year inside that program was cheaper than two private coaching sessions. And to this day, it's easier for someone to make the decision.

[00:09:21] Now, I'm not. I'm not, there's nobody to blame here. This is how people work. It's easier to make a decision, and the money part isn't the thing, right? The money isn't what's gonna make it easier. We think that if it's cheaper, it's easier. Yes, it's not true. So if anyone has a business and you're considering, oh, it's just hard to get people, I should just have a membership.

[00:09:42] Keep this in mind because you have to do a lot, a lot of selling at that lower price to break even with what you would get with private. So you just have to like selling a lot. Right? And I went off of social media a couple years ago and I am not looking back. I absolutely love being off and so. That makes it really complicated. 'cause that means I'm working with people who do advertising and I'm buying ads and it's just like a little bit more complicated if you're selling without using social media, although honestly, I'm not even so convinced social media is the best place to sell. End of the day, you have to be doing sale selling.

[00:10:17] Wherever you're doing it. You have to be selling a lot. Okay. If you wanna be doing a a low cost program. I think also the other piece of it is often these smaller programs are, are a little bit more confusing. So if they, someone goes to my website right now and she just had a really gross conversation with her husband and she's like, I, I just don't even know like how to think about it.

[00:10:38] But that Kayla girl, I like her podcast and she says things that make me feel better and like I kind of just wanna run it by her. And she just goes and books that one off session and then she talks to me about that thing the next day, and we work out that thing and then she goes back into her marriage and the issue has been, you know, if it's a bigger issue, we can do more sessions. But very, very often I'm finding that people are resolving the issue within a one off session. So that's really straightforward because I know me, if I'm in a situation of acute crisis, I don't wanna be thinking about signing up for a membership program or taking a class.

[00:11:11] I just want you to get on the phone with me and tell me somebody that I trust to tell me what should I do? What do you think? How should I be looking at this situation? So it's a harder thing to sell.

[00:11:25] Okay, personal. This is a little bit of a continuation of the last personal one, but I feel so strongly about this.

[00:11:31] I think this is something I'm starting to, just wanting to, like, this is a soapbox for me. We love what we put our energy into, and this is true for mundane things and for those of us who have children, and even if you don't have children, but you are, if you're doing housework, which I guess is really just means you're an adult, right?

[00:11:47] There's not, you don't have a mom who's taking care of you then. When we're trying always to minimize how much time or effort or thought we're putting into mundane activities, and I'm, I apologize, but young children, you fall often into the mundane activity category, right? The things that they're not necessarily sparking intellectual stimulation, they're not exciting.

[00:12:08] They're, there's no, there's no like big, like monumental. Success or like goal that you're achieving, right? It's just these like daily things. When we are in this state, this tug of war of like, I, I, ugh, I'm doing it, but I have to just get this done as fast as possible so I can get back to all the things that I wanna be doing.

[00:12:24] I wanna be checking my email. I wanna be, you know, listening to that more interesting podcast instead of sitting here playing Scrabble with you. I wanna be, um, back to work. I wanna be talking to a whatever, or just, I don't even know where I wanna be, but not here. Which is a feeling that I think so many women feel so often.

[00:12:41] And the solution is exactly the opposite. What we get sold or what we, the mistake we make is trying to either outsource or, or, um, make as efficient as possible all of our systems. So we're spending as little time as possible in them. And look, I'm, you should, you should go for efficiency. But here's the thing.

[00:13:03] What gets us into a mode of flow and play is complete engagement. Total engagement. So like for instance, if you're playing a, a game with your kid and you don't even like the game. But you just decide, this is the only thing I am focusing on for the next hour, is just playing this game.

[00:13:26] You will enjoy yourself. You will, if you're totally, fully present, you will enjoy yourself. Even if you don't like the thing you're doing. It's, it's, it's mind blowing. It's amazing. I think it's just really, um. Inspiring. And so, and, and I think it's something that, it's like a complete switch that we have to realize, which is the thing you're trying to tug away from is the thing you should be leaning into.

[00:13:49] That's where you're gonna get the enjoyment. Because now instead of going all in, achieving that state of flow and creativity, or at the very least, feeling present and connected and productive, which are all wonderful feelings, you're in this constant state of trying to be where you're not. You don't get those yummy belly laugh moments with your kids.

[00:14:05] You don't realize the different use for that drawer that will be make baking easier in the kitchen. You don't do the mental accounting. That tells you whether your kids actually have enough socks to get from one laundry day to the next because your head's not in it with you.

[00:14:18] So it really is a continuation of the first one. But just where is my head I guess was kind of the thing that I had, like, where is my head and is it, is it in? Is it in my home and in my family and in the mundane enough to really be able to get there and enjoy and be fully present?

[00:14:36] Business. Business lesson.

[00:14:38] Okay. Systems are tricky, is the lesson systems do make things easier. Okay. But they can, you can end up making things more complicated because once you adopt a system, you can, because I was able to add so many features, I added so many features. Because I could, and it seems so simple, but then suddenly I had a lot of features to keep up with, and I had assistants, which are in a way, a system to make things easier.

[00:15:10] But then you have to communicate with the assistants and you have to train them, and you have to troubleshoot. And I have amazing, amazing women that I worked with, but it's not where I wanted to be spending my very limited time. So the more complicated or the more sophisticated the system you're working with, just realize that you might end up with more overhead unless you're really, really clear.

[00:15:31] I am only using this system to make this one thing simpler, and I will be really careful not to add anything else unless I've really thought it through. Right. I mean, just comparing like what it, how does a, like a one, even with my three systems that I use for a, for a one-off coaching call, she makes this, the appointment on Calendly.

[00:15:53] I get an email, it gets added to my calendar. That's automatic. I show up on the call on Zoom, so I'm using Zoom. Then afterwards I email her the notes from the session. I'm using email. That's it. Right.

[00:16:08] Personal lesson.

[00:16:10] I know you've heard this one before, but I'm saying it again 'cause I want you to think about it for yourself right now as you're hearing me go through it, which is start where nobody can replace you. Nobody can be your husband's wife, nobody can be your kid's mom, nobody but you. So hashem, there are lots of great coaches, teachers, and mentors in the world now, and I love being one of them, but I don't have to be.

[00:16:31] And I had a really profound experience at one point when I first got to the point with my private coaching where I had a wait list. It was my first experience with a wait list. And so it was my first time telling someone, okay, you sat down with me on a call and I understand your situation, but I don't have a spot for you yet and so I'm gonna need you to wait.

[00:16:48] And so I called a rebbetzin that I was close to. I know I can help this woman. Um, she wants to start now. She's in crisis, but my kids are not. So can I really tell her I don't have a spot? Like shouldn't I see? And even if I should see if I can get one more hour in, then when would it stop? Right, because she wasn't the only person booked for a console call, I was still getting more people coming in.

[00:17:11] And so she said to me, you start by looking at your family and how much time you have that you can work. Once that time is full. You remind yourself that hashem sends the Shelia to the person, and if you can't be that shalia, they'll get the one that they're supposed to have. But you're not meant to be that shalia.

[00:17:32] You're not meant to be the person that helps that person. If it's beyond what you can offer from your family time right now, and that was just a real reality check for me. I'm like, alright, I'm not the one solving her marriage, right? Like we're just doing our hisat lists down here. We're doing the work that we need to do.

[00:17:52] We're learning the things we need to learn, and ultimately whether this woman is gonna have an easy situation or a difficult situation, or it's gonna be a bumpy road, or it's gonna get smoother, or I'm gonna be able to help her, or I'm not. I don't have ultimate control over that, which is uncomfortable, but it's true, and that also gives me permission to say, if I'm not able to do it right now, then it must be that the help is coming from someone else.

[00:18:17] There's not a single woman in my program that I feel like will not be okay because the program is ending, because if they need more help at this point, then I know that they'll get it.

[00:18:30] Okay. Business lesson. Create the business that works for you so that you will be happy to stay in it and run it for a nice long time.

[00:18:38] Now, three and a half years is a really nice long time. Happens to be, our life has changed significantly in the last three, three and a half years, and so I really did create the How to Glow program. Based on what I wanted, I was expecting my fifth. I really wanted to be able to spend lots of time with him.

[00:18:55] I didn't wanna be doing so many one-off calls. And I also really, really wanted to continue to work with the women that I had been working with. Um, and given that a lot of them were in the us, having a, a system where it was once a week call with us hours really made a lot of sense. But I will say that there were some decisions in there that I made because it's what I thought my clients wanted.

[00:19:18] Or I thought maybe it would make it easier to sell and less about what I needed to be happy to stay in the business. So I'll just give two examples. One is I started off by doing three calls a month, and at some point I felt nervous that I wasn't offering enough.

[00:19:32] I felt like selling a weekly call is gonna be such an easier way to sell like three a month. That'll help me get people in. So first of all, spoiler alert, it didn't really make a difference. Now em, when I opened the doors, it was a nice, healthy group of people and it did grow, but it didn't grow exponentially.

[00:19:48] So it's not that I'm shutting down the program 'cause we were like tiny. It was a really quality size. But I made that decision 'cause I thought it would be easier to sell. Even though I even knew in the moment that one week a a month, that I didn't have something booked at night. Was always such a huge respite for me because just knowing that I have work at night means that all day long, I'm kind of in that mode of knowing I'm gonna be working at some point, so I don't totally relax.

[00:20:13] So that was a decision that I made based on them and not based on what was long-term good for me. Another great example is. I kept it as like an an ongoing rolling membership, or at least a monthly membership as opposed to only opening the doors once a year. Again, I thought that would be easier to sell.

[00:20:30] People should be able to come whenever they're having a problem. What if she just had a fight with her husband and now she's ready and it's not opening till September, right? I had all these different s. What I didn't have was launching is a tremendous amount of effort for me

[00:20:42] and many, many months I wasn't able able to get to it. And knowing that I was only doing that once a year. would've made it, again, a much easier program. So those are just two spoilers. If I open anything similar again, you'll probably see those features, fewer, not weekly calls, and you'll probably see, um, not monthly launches for new members.

[00:21:04] Personal, okay. Here's a hard one. Being sad or even anxious after making a decision doesn't mean it was the wrong decision. So if you've ever made a decision and then afterwards you were like, oh my gosh, I don't know if that was right. Which definitely I thought about 9,000 times from the time that I emailed out that I'm closing the program.

[00:21:28] So every single time that I saw someone's response to it or even just thought about it or thought about special moments I've had in the program, and also sadness, grief for me over like, you know, just lowercase g grief, right? Like this is a thing that I have to say goodbye to. That was a huge part of my life that brought me so much joy and purpose.

[00:21:47] Um, such a creative outlet, like so many good things intellectually, and it's sad, and so the decision brings up those feelings for you. A decision that you made could bring up all sorts of different feelings. It doesn't mean it was the wrong decision because when you make a decision, what you're really doing is you're changing the circumstances of your life, right?

[00:22:09] You're saying like, my circumstance was that I technically ran this program and after the end of this month, I will not be running this program. That might make me sad, but we don't make decisions because of our feelings. 'cause ultimately our feelings come from how we're thinking. So let's say you're thinking about moving to Florida, because I think everyone wants to move to Florida right now.

[00:22:27] If you're not moving to Israel, you're thinking about moving to Florida and you're like, you make the decision and then you get there and it's hard and you're sad and you miss your friends and you miss being close to your family, it still doesn't mean it was the wrong decision. How do we make decisions?

[00:22:43] We look at what are my reasons and that tells you if it was the right decision. So if I decide to move to Florida, 'cause I think I'll be happier there, it's gonna be really disappointing. If I'm not happier, you could still work on it. By the way, get a coach. But if I decide to move to Florida, because I know that my husband is gonna thrive in a slightly more out of town environment and a lower key and whatever else is Florida, I don't know.

[00:23:09] I used to live in Florida but not there. So. Whatever it is you love about Florida, and these are the things that I, I really think this is gonna just help our family and we have some good friends there and it's gonna create a good social environment. And I believe in having good, you know, good social support network and whatever it is.

[00:23:25] Okay, so you still made it for good decisions, for good reasons. So it was still a good decision at the end of the day. My decision to close the program was that I wanna put more of my mental and creative energy into my family right now. I think that's needed at the moment. And I can feel sad and I can feel anxious.

[00:23:46] Doesn't make it the wrong decision.

[00:23:48] Okay. Last one is maybe personal and business. And I, I realize that this isn't always easy to do, but one of the things that I really felt so clear about was. That sometimes you have to step all the way away to get clarity. Because the program wasn't really designed for like, what was working for me personally, right?

[00:24:12] Like having a lot of admin stuff and also the scheduling and all the things that I talked about. So there was a while where it was just like a, a much, I'd say in the last year I've noticed it's just taken a lot more out of me to be running the program. Why the podcast went down. 'cause doing both things was just too big of a lift.

[00:24:28] And so we did step away. We stepped away, or I take a month off of launching and I take, took time off of podcasting. Like I kept sort of giving myself little breaks and different things to give myself that energy to recoup and get more energy and go back into it. But what I realized here was there's something else on the other side of this program and there's no way for me to know what that is while I'm running this program.

[00:24:54] There's something else possibly on the other side of this podcast. At the very least, it's a whole new way of approaching the podcast. At the most it's, it might be that the podcast is completely over and I might not do podcasting anymore, or I might start a new one, or who knows? I can't figure that out while I'm still maintaining these.

[00:25:13] And so I think that sometimes we need a bigger step away. Before we're gonna know what's coming next, and that can be really, really scary. But that ties into this other piece, which is that when we really realize how much Hashem has provided for us and how much Hashem loves us and has taken care of us so beautifully until today, we can trust that he only wants to continue to support us and provide for us in the future.

[00:25:44] The only time that won't happen is if there's something even better in store. And so those two lessons kind of had to come together for me, right? Of, I don't know what's coming, but I think Hashem does. I know Hashem does. And so knowing that I have to step all the way out to be able to get the clarity for what's coming forward is kind of what I need, and I can trust that because I'm making the decision from the right places.

[00:26:10] It's gonna be amazing, and I really think it is. So again, for those of you, um, what's available going forward. So I'll give you just a couple things because again, there won't be more podcasts coming out for quite a long time. Number one is make sure you're on my email list. I'm not planning on emailing you anytime regularly during the sabbatical.

[00:26:32] But get on the list because if something is coming up I wanna make sure I can let you know about it. And that is the primary way that I tell people, even if you've been on my list before, I found that there are some people, I think because, 'cause they told me that they didn't mean to unsubscribe, but maybe, 'cause now I know like on smartphones it says unsubscribe at the top.

[00:26:48] So a couple people accidentally did. It's really easy to get resubscribed. Just shoot me an email and I'll send you the link. You can resubscribe, but I can't, I can't fix it for you. 'cause you know, legal stuff and moral stuff on emails. Um. So that's number one. Make sure you're on my list. Number two, the first year married course is still there.

[00:27:07] So if you haven't gone through it, that is like a very, very deep dive into the male brain communication, intimacy, designing your life around a, a marriage focus, which is much more so in Shana Rishona, but is something that you could be redoing at any phase in your life. And again, it's $50. Um, I think it's a really, really reasonable price.

[00:27:29] Although of course, as we said, it's not easier for me to sell it to you just because it's cheap, but I still do feel better because. If you can't afford it. So the first year married course is still there and I encourage you to check it out, kaylalevin.com/newlywed at any stage in your life. I've had so many women who took it and they were married even longer than me up into double decades, and they said, oh my gosh, I just learned something new.

[00:27:50] So I love that. , and finally, one-off sessions after August, there will be one-off sessions available. Just go to kaylalevin.com/coaching and if you ever feel you need a session just to clean a couple things up, it's 50 minutes long. If we have to go a little bit longer, we can usually up to an hour.

[00:28:07] Um, just write down whatever it is that you have on your mind that you're trying to work through. Book a session, we'll work on it privately, just the two of us. They're extremely effective. Amazingly effective and I would love to support you in that way. And if there's a spot you can take it. And if there's not a spot, I guess I'm still on sabbatical and that's how you'll find out.

[00:28:26] My friends have an amazing. However long it is until I speak to you again. And thank you for being part of this ride. This has been, this whole podcast experience has been, um, delightful and surprising, and I still get messages from people saying that this, they feel connected, that they learned something, that, that something got better for them.

[00:28:48] And it's really an honor for me, um, to, to be able to be a AKA in that way. And thank you for listening. Okay. Be well. Bye-Bye.